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January 25, 2004

Orkut Launch: The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly

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Posted by Liz Lawley

Like Clay, my mailbox has been filling up quickly with Orkut invitations and confirmations. And I've been spending a good bit of time this weekend (when I _should_ have been grading student websites) mulling over the system and its strengths and weaknesses. On the plus side, Orkut has gotten a number of things right. They've got the warm-and-fuzzy photo aspect of Friendster (see Adam Greenfield on Friendster), and reduced the emphasis on dating as the primary social mover. The interface--thought perhaps still "dorky"--isn't nearly as offputting as what they've got over at Tribe (a site I've been entirely unable to develop an affinity for, despite my lemming-like willingness to follow friends into YASNs). But Orkut has also incorporated one of Tribe's greatest strengths--ridiculously easy group-forming, something Friendster totally rejected. On the bad side, there are plenty of UI issues, and even more security flaws. There's been a slew of friendspam over the past 12 hours, as people have discovered the ability to send broadcast messages to everyone on the system. And over in the "Anti-Social Networks" community, a number of folks have pointed out serious security flaws in the technical implementation. Which brings me to the ugly part. It appears that Orkut sysadmins are silently _deleting_ messages that point out flaws and problems with the system. If you're logged into Orkut, you can look at this thread, and this one for some discussion. Unless, of course, those are deleted as well... They also appear to be starting on a Friendster-like program to delete "fakester" identities. A dubious character by the name of "Gregg Something" who tried to add me as a friend disappeared without a trace this morning. At first, I thought he'd just withdrawn his request, but a quick search revealed that he had vanished from the system without a trace. I think there's a lot of potential here. There are a lot of discussions already starting to form around how the various inputs--number of links, karma points, etc--could create a "FriendRank" construct (again, you need to be logged into Orkut for that link to work. I think the combination of a complex, multifaceted FriendRank system with some creative visualizations (beyond the current "Network" view) could make for a really interesting tool. Bottom line for me? I think Orkut has the makings of a really interesting environment, melding the best aspects of other YASNs, and giving it the Google brand of respectability to help it go mainstream. But the silent deletion of users, communities, and posts could be deadly. I'd hate to see the site fall on its own sword this early.

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1. David Passmore on January 25, 2004 2:25 PM writes...

So, what happens if you have no friends, specially on Orkut. How can you ever get into it?

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2. Brad Choate on January 25, 2004 4:39 PM writes...

I had the same encounter with "Gregg Something". I'm guessing he tried to mass be-friend everyone he could and got booted for abusing the system. Or something. The website for Gregg Something was www.sc.am. Apparently registered to a Gregg Housh (using whois through www.amnic.net).

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3. andrew on January 25, 2004 8:54 PM writes...

Thanks for your interest in orkut.com. We did indeed find your blog to
be
very cool.

The orkut user base began with its creator Orkut Buyukkokten, who
invited
his friends to join. They in turn invited their friends, and soon the
network was born. In order to keep orkut a trusted community,
unfortunately, you must be invited by a current member. Over the next
few
weeks, we hope that this community grows to a point where everyone who
wants to join has the opportunity.

Keep checking with your friends. There may be an orkut member lurking
among you.

Stay connected,
orkut.com

Original Message Follows:
------------------------
From: thedeuce75Subject: Can I join
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:48:13 -0800 (PST)

I am really really cool. Everyone thinks I am cool. Check out my blog its
cool http://superrandomrandomness.blogspot.com , I mean look how cool
it is. Come on guys let me in.....please?

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4. tom on January 25, 2004 9:03 PM writes...

Orkut down for now: http://alterslash.org/#Orkut_Goes_Dark_At_Least_For_A_Bit

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5. Bobbi on January 27, 2004 6:52 AM writes...

Can I join? Come on spread the joy!

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6. Daniel Kuhnen on January 28, 2004 9:35 AM writes...

Please, someone invite me!!! I'm from Brazil and very curious about it, and if I don't ask I think it will take a long time to receive a invitation here!!!

daniel@feind.com.br

THANKS A LOT!!!

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7. Kerri on January 29, 2004 10:49 AM writes...

I'd like a orkut invitation code should anyone have a spare.

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8. Kerri on January 29, 2004 10:52 AM writes...

Okay that was dumb. I'll try again. I'd like an orkut invite code if anyone has a spare.

My junk email is aviatrix441@hotmail.com

Thanks!

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9. Christopher Allen on January 31, 2004 3:35 AM writes...

I reported what I considered to be a privacy bug to my "friends of friends" list on Orkut, and was later asked by Orkut to resend to everyone his reply as to what was really going on. I did so, and shortly after my account was "jailed".

Doesn't give me a lot of confidence in how professional Orkut is being managed.

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10. Miguel Duarte on January 31, 2004 10:14 AM writes...

Can someone, please, send me an invitation for Orkut? ;)

I'm from Portugal, and I don't know anybody here with it, at least for now... Maybe I could be the first one, hehe! ;)

If you can do it, please do it to miguel@mailblocks.com

Regards,

Miguel Duarte

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11. Tim Bishop on February 1, 2004 5:34 AM writes...

Liz,

I just posted a version of this comment on DW's blog, but maybe you can be the person who explains to me what people get out of these artificially created social networks? Maybe I am just thick, or anti-social, or both, but I don’t get it. I joined Friendster, Ryze, and Tribe because people suggested that I do so, then .... nothing.

What are the damn things for?

Clueless in Berkeley.

Thanks,

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12. Patrick McFarland on February 2, 2004 10:40 PM writes...

I'm also wondering, wtf is the point of social networks? And what can they do that, say, irc, mailing lists, or popular IM systems cant?

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13. anon on February 14, 2004 11:42 AM writes...

This site is offering free Orkut invites

http://www.firstadopter.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=57

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14. David on February 18, 2004 2:15 PM writes...

Hi All,

I read your article concerning orkut and wanted to invite you to visit this website www.zenetwork.com
As orkut and others, this is a social networking community, but we added more features like online invitations to parties (ie:evite.com kind of thing) and removed the dating aspect, since we considered that if people want to find a date through this website, they will do it anyway!!!

So please join the crowd on www.zenetwork.com, you'll see you'll love it!!!

Cheers,
David.

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15. Friendsync on February 20, 2004 4:43 PM writes...

Please also visit http://www.friendsync.com

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16. missk on February 27, 2004 4:31 PM writes...

Have any of you heard of orkut users being deleted with any forewarning / notice. I've seen this happen to a couple of people, and in my research found that it happened on a wider scale on Monday, February 23, 2004. Orkut admins and help were mailed with no response as of Friday, February 27, 2004. What gives? Are orkut admins randomly deleting people who did not violate the Terms of Service?

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17. Vitor on May 25, 2004 4:11 PM writes...

God bless the one that send an invitation to Orkut for me!!!

Need some blessing? Deep-sinked in sin? Send me the invitation now!

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18. Vitor on May 25, 2004 4:17 PM writes...

Sorry, my email for you to receive the bless: vitor@redemedicina.com.br

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19. Tope on July 6, 2004 8:09 AM writes...

Grateful to get an Orkut invite. Thanx.

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