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August 17, 2004

XFN Relationships

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Posted by Clay Shirky

The madness of the age — making human relations explicit — continues in the form of XFN’s relationship profiles. Here, as a sample, is the entire range of possible romantic categories:

- muse - Someone who brings you inspiration. No inverse.
- crush - Someone you have a crush on. No inverse.
- date - Someone you are dating. Symmetric. Not transitive.
- sweetheart - Someone with whom you are intimate and at least somewhat committed, typically exclusively. Symmetric. Not transitive.

Muse, crush, date, sweetheart. The whole of romantic or sexual feeling in not just four words but those four?

The odd thing about about efforts like this is not merely the lack of completeness. Attempting to get to completeness would be admitting defeat, since the goal is simplification. The odd thing is that even the few proposals there are are obviously wrong.

“Date” is not the word for someone you are dating, and everyone knows it except the authors of this list. You can be my date to the prom without it ever being an ongoing thing; meanwhile, someone you are dating is never referred to as your date, but as your boyfriend of girlfriend. Ditto ‘sweetheart’, where the assumption is definite on intimacy and lukewarm on committment, when usage would indicate the opposite balance. And so on.

The best part, though, is the rationale:

There were a whole pile of love, romance, and sexually oriented terms we considered and discarded. Some were rejected on the grounds they were unnecessary—for example, polyamorous individuals can indicate their other partners using values already defined (having two links marked sweetheart or spouse, for example). Others were left out because they did not fit with the desire to keep XFN simple. The current set seems to us to accurately capture a sufficiently detailed range of romantic feelings without becoming overwhelming.

You really can’t make this stuff up. “We left a bunch of stuff out because when you try to model all the ways people really talk about attraction and intimacy and attachment, it just seems messy.” The thought that maybe the domain they are trying to model is messy seems never to have crossed their minds.

And:

A special note is merited for the omission of a term to describe a person to whom one is engaged. The terms “fiancé” and “fianceé” are gender-specific, which was a problem. We also decided that describing engagement should be left out since it is intended as a transitional state of affairs, as a prelude to marriage (and thus the value spouse, which is a less intentionally temporary relationship).

Earth to XFN: Most romantic relations are temporary. Fiance is a more formal state of affairs than sweetheart. Despite the fact that it doesn’t fit with your model, it is treated as a real category by actual people. Throwing out real-world behavior because it doesn’t fit your model is supposed to make you question your model, no?

It’s as if the creation of a list is meant to seem complete, because lists are discrete, and domains to be modelled are also supposed to be discrete…

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1. a on August 17, 2004 3:41 PM writes...

Yeah, but the people who built this probably have never had a date. Or else expect that when they do, romantic relationships will behave in a model-able way.

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2. Scott Rafer on August 17, 2004 5:56 PM writes...

How about "betrothed?" It's an archaic term, but not gender-specific. There is a faint air of arranged marriages that wafts along with it, but the charm of the thing might overcome that.

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3. mpt on August 18, 2004 1:28 AM writes...

"a"'s allegation can be trivially disproved: 1, 2, 3. (That said, I fail to see the point of XFN. It seems to me that it's not just a solution looking for a problem; it's a problem looking for a problem.)

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4. Jimbo Jones on August 18, 2004 2:50 AM writes...

What is the word for someone you're dating Clay?

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5. Clay Shirky on August 18, 2004 8:29 AM writes...

Any number of words, from boyfriend or girlfriend to significant other to sweet patootie. Of all the words to choose from, though, that refer to an ongoing public and romantic relationship, 'date' isn't on the list, which makes its use so odd here.

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6. Buzz Andersen on August 18, 2004 12:39 PM writes...

Not to dignify a's remarks too much, but I've met Tantek's girlfriend, so she definitely exists (and he's a lucky man, I might add). Please stop perpetuating the *other* madness of our age: making technical arguments personal.

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7. Dave Evans on August 19, 2004 12:22 PM writes...

To be truely global, there should be a technical definition of the terms as well as a descriptive term, since I doubt the phrase sweetheart does anything for non english speaking people. I agree, some of the terms to date are silly, this is a good project for a W3C working group.

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